Posts by Bungi Bill

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Breaking News, London: Van Ploughs into Pedestrians

by Simon in

3 male passengers then get out and start stabbing / shooting people according to early reports.. but it could have been anyone for any reason, who knows, possibly jehovahs witnesses or amish.. maybe we'll never know the reason but i'm sure there will be people praying for those involved and hashtags.. thus solving the problem once and for all.. just "life in a big city" according to the muslim mayor of london, sadiq khan..

Bungi Bill

Cofty and Simon,

A little off topic, perhaps, but I think still worth stating; your remarks about armed police are quite correct.

This was confirmed a few years ago by a former firearms instructor at the Police Training Academy, who readily volunteered that not all police have the necessary skills to be armed (as in the UK, the police in this country - New Zealand - are also largely unarmed).

Furthermore, those police trained to use firearms are taught to aim for the body trunk, which is most likely to result in a fatal wound. The consensus amongst all that have ever fired a hand gun (myself included) is that you are doing quite well to even hit the target at all, let alone be selective about whereabouts on the target the bullet is going to land. You definitely aim for "the centre of the biggest piece that you can see" if you expect any success! As for the idea of trying to "shoot to wound" with a high-powered weapon; if you have ever witnessed the destruction that a slug from such a weapon does to an animal, you would quickly shed yourself of such impractical ideas (again, pretty much the consensus amongst hunters).

"Shooting to wound" might work in a cowboy movie - in which the victim is a paid actor - but that is about all!

Contrary to what some believe, the police are not instructed to shoot to wound - and that was from the Commissioner for the Police Service in the Australian State of Victoria (and I don't believe it to be any different in the UK or elsewhere).

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Greenlees & Chitty -- Some Sources

by AlanF in

posted on an email message board:.

posted recently to the h2o message board:.

Bungi Bill

We used to have a lot of such posts on this site, when the likes of AlanF and Leolaia were regular correspondents here. Where have they all gone!

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How do I get you to Visit my house

by I have question in

okay simply put i am not of your faith however my faith allows me to learn and study other people's beliefs and faith's.

now i believe at least from what i have seen that you people are humble and respectful, when interacting with me.

and that watchtower book thing u hand out has actually helped me in the past.... taught me that resentment only hurts me and not the person i resented, that was really needed at the time.

Bungi Bill

There is no need to invite these people into your home in order to learn what their religion is all about. In fact, that would not even be the best approach.

For one thing, the typical current lot of Jehovahs Witnesses have very little idea of what it is they are supposed to believe in, beyond "Obey Without Question the Governing Body, and You Will Be Blessed." They would probably attempt more to use their literature to speak for them, but even that has been dumbed down to the level of little more than just , "Obey and be Blessed".

For another thing, if you were to invite them into your home, they could well then become just a bloody nuisance. A lot of the Jehovahs Witnesses can be surprisingly reluctant to take "No" for an answer. Sometimes (perhaps even often?) getting rid of them can make the proverbial "bad smell" seem like a welcome guest!.

There are various other ways of learning what this religion is all about:

There are their literature stands that are frequently to be found in public places, such as the approaches to train stations etc. From those, their literature is available free of charge (for what it is worth!)

Also, the Watchtower Corporation (their publishing arm) has its own website, www.jw.org. This is readily accessible to the public, and can at least give you their view of the JW religion.

Then there are a number of Ex-JW websites such as this one, from which the real truth about this religion can be discovered. (Once you delve below the surface, you will find that these people have more than just a few "skeletons in the cupboard", so to speak!)

In your research, though, there is one thing to look out for, which I am certain all ex-JWs would agree on, and that is the offer of a "Free Home Bible Study". With somebody like yourself, the Jehovahs Witnesses would be very quick to offer to "Study the Bible" with you "In Your Own Home".

You would be well advised never to accept such an offer, as you would afterwards discover that this is just the first stage of the indoctrination process into their cult. ("Entry Level", you might say!). Furthermore, as many of us here found out to our detriment, extricating yourself is often a surprisingly difficult process.

In summary, this religion is a cult, and it is safest to learn about it from a distance!

PS: Persons such as yourself are welcome here any time.

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My husband reinstated our son

by Finally Left in

dear friends, we were so touched by your warm welcome and all of your comments to my ballroom dancing post.

thank you so much for your kindness.. i have more to tell you, but i wanted to share this with you.

we have a son that has been disfellowshipped for 18 years for smoking.

Bungi Bill

Finally Left,

Terrific news that your family is reunited once again. The religion of the JWs is many things, but one thing it isn't is family friendly. This includes, but is not limited to, the cruel practice of shunning.

Anyway, congratulations on making the break from this @>%* cult (realising that this can be a surprisingly difficult thing to do) - and also a belated welcome to this site!

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The End Will Come in 2007 ?

by berrygerry in

at least he doesn't rewrite his bs as updated light.. http://www.patrobertson.com/teaching/teachingonbabylon.asp.

Bungi Bill

WTWizard,

Where did you get all that from?

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How Many Here Used To Sneak Looking At "apostate" Material?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i did!

even when i was in junior high school i would go to the library and look for anything that was about charles taze russell or millenial dawn or jehovah's witnesses..... maybe i was an "apostate " in the making..

Bungi Bill

waton,

Out of curiosity, after you had finished reading it, what were your impressions of 30 Years a Watchtower Slave?

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How Many Here Used To Sneak Looking At "apostate" Material?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i did!

even when i was in junior high school i would go to the library and look for anything that was about charles taze russell or millenial dawn or jehovah's witnesses..... maybe i was an "apostate " in the making..

Bungi Bill

I read WC Stevenson's 1975: Year of Doom? and WC Schnell's notorious 30 Years a Watchtower Slave before the term "apostate material" was ever bandied about - let alone put on the "forbidden list" by the WTS. Back then, I believed that as we definitely had "The Truth", then there was no harm done. After all, "The Truth" would stand up to anything, wouldn't it! (Particularly when stood up against the rather incoherent rantings of some disgruntled ex-member; which is how Schnell's work came across as).

Also, during my early years as a JW, the congregation's territory that I was in contained a large component of what are now known as "Alternative Lifestylers". This led to some very interesting conversations while engaged in the "Field Circus".

There were Hippies, Communists, Maoists, Stalinists, Trotskyites, Marxists, Red-Feds, Anarchists, "Born Agains" of various stripes (particularly of the more extreme variety), Draft Dodgers (perhaps even a few army deserters - the Vietnam war was still not over), Pacifists, Spiritualists, converts to the "Eastern Religions" (including Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims):

- all working as seasonal workers for the local fruitgrowers and tobacco farmers; with most of those being either staunchly Episcopalian or of one or other of the Brethren churches.

As far as I could see at the time, yet another person with some unconventional ideas (in this case, a former JW) couldn't be too harmful.

However, once my doubts began to grow, I did some serious but discreet research of my own - even though by that point it had become a definite "No-No"

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So, you want to become a Jehovah's witness?

by nowwhat? in

ok your bible study wants to get baptised.

make sure he is aware of what's involved.

here is a checklist.

Bungi Bill

Explain to them also that it would help immensely to have a certain operation in which a by-pass switch is installed on the back of the neck:

- one that places a short circuit between the ears and the motor-nerves, completely bypassing the brain!

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How Far Up The Ladder Did You Go In JW Land?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i pretty much did it all.

vacation pioneered as a youngster and became a regular pioneer out of school.

i became a ms then an elder.....the organization pushes you to be somebody within the confines of their realm.

Bungi Bill

I know this is slightly off-topic, but the matter of "green handshakes" has been mentioned by others.

In some of the congregations I was in, the "green handshake" would have looked distinctly unimpressive! I doubt if the CO would have been able to even half-fill the tank on his car with it -even if he received such a parting gift at all (which would have been quite possible). During the recession of the early 1990s, our congregation would have not had the proverbial "two bob to rub together". This was in a low cost housing area (Logan City, QLD, Australia) and had more than its complement of JWS - who, being as they predominantly are in the lower socio-economic bracket - couldn't afford to live elsewhere.

That old saying about being "poor as church-mice" comes to mind!

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COWTOWN AIN'T (In which I tell you all about my home town, Fort Worth, Texas)

by TerryWalstrom in

jw
friends

cowtown ain’t.

in which i tell you about my hometown, ft. worth, texas.

question: “what do you call mexican food down in guadalajara?”.

Bungi Bill

Terry,

Thanks for this interesting bit of history.

The closest I have ever got to Fort Worth, TX was in my dealings with a company called Solar Turbines. While never managing to wangle a visit to Solar's factory, I nonetheless did have frequent interactions with some of their company's representatives. (This during the years I managed a power station in Papua New Guinea; one that used a set of eight Solar Gas Turbine Engines).

However, on checking Google Maps, I see that the site of Solar Turbine's factory at Mabank, TX, is actually closer to Dallas than it is to Fort Worth? That was the reverse of what I had been led to understand, and reveals some flaws in my knowledge of North American geography!